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	<title>Comments on: Breast Cancer Awareness or Preaching to the Perverts? (a.k.a the Degradation of Feminism)</title>
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		<title>By: Let's wait it out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let's wait it out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bra colour thing is silly. Nice way to exclude women that have removed their breasts because of breast cancer.

Don&#039;t be surprised by the comments; radicalism anywhere isn&#039;t really welcomed, but your presentation here in the last paragraph is poor. I would get rid of the over generalizations re: &quot;men&quot;. They don&#039;t help advance anything and turn attention away from the reframing of the debate, which you tried to do by questioning the given way to express breast cancer awareness, as if there were no history behind it that people should object to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bra colour thing is silly. Nice way to exclude women that have removed their breasts because of breast cancer.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be surprised by the comments; radicalism anywhere isn&#8217;t really welcomed, but your presentation here in the last paragraph is poor. I would get rid of the over generalizations re: &#8220;men&#8221;. They don&#8217;t help advance anything and turn attention away from the reframing of the debate, which you tried to do by questioning the given way to express breast cancer awareness, as if there were no history behind it that people should object to.</p>
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		<title>By: Xeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll put the sarcasm aside for a moment to draw some attention to Pink Army:
http://pinkarmy.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll put the sarcasm aside for a moment to draw some attention to Pink Army:<br />
<a href="http://pinkarmy.org/" rel="nofollow">http://pinkarmy.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Xeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but does anyone actually think this was a good way to raise awareness for breast cancer? I think it&#039;s obvious this was just a lame email forward that happened to reach critical mass.

The original post is so ridiculous that I find it difficult to muster up any energy to make a thoughtful contribution to this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but does anyone actually think this was a good way to raise awareness for breast cancer? I think it&#8217;s obvious this was just a lame email forward that happened to reach critical mass.</p>
<p>The original post is so ridiculous that I find it difficult to muster up any energy to make a thoughtful contribution to this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: winnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>winnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Vino, I don&#039;t see any value in posting bra colour on facebook, how does this increase &quot;breast cancer awareness&quot;? A color does not offer any stats or any relevant information on the disease itself.  Instead, I see a lot of mockery from guys (coincidentally) that stems from this facebook fad, which is quite counterproductive in my opinion.  Do you all think &quot;breast cancer&quot; is the first thing that comes to mind when men find out about a women&#039;s bra color? Let&#039;s be real here. If my friend had &quot;checkered boxers&quot; on his facestatus, &quot;prostate cancer&quot; would most definitely NOT be the first thing that comes to mind.

There has to be better ways to disseminate information and raise awareness.  The pink campaign and runs for breast cancer are, sufficient enough and are great &quot;marketing strategies&quot; in raising awareness and funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Vino, I don&#8217;t see any value in posting bra colour on facebook, how does this increase &#8220;breast cancer awareness&#8221;? A color does not offer any stats or any relevant information on the disease itself.  Instead, I see a lot of mockery from guys (coincidentally) that stems from this facebook fad, which is quite counterproductive in my opinion.  Do you all think &#8220;breast cancer&#8221; is the first thing that comes to mind when men find out about a women&#8217;s bra color? Let&#8217;s be real here. If my friend had &#8220;checkered boxers&#8221; on his facestatus, &#8220;prostate cancer&#8221; would most definitely NOT be the first thing that comes to mind.</p>
<p>There has to be better ways to disseminate information and raise awareness.  The pink campaign and runs for breast cancer are, sufficient enough and are great &#8220;marketing strategies&#8221; in raising awareness and funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Anika Munshi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anika Munshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Stefan, I fail to see how posting a colour on facebook is &quot;stooping low&quot;. I also don&#039;t see the connection of a colour encouraging males to visit lingerie stores or porn. By feminine empowerment, are you implying that by hiding the fact that females wear a bra or by hiding the colour of the bra will not cause female objectification? 
I also don&#039;t see how the bra is solely at the mercy of being an object of male fancy, ie. have you ever tried jogging without a bra on? Yeah..ouch. They don&#039;t have to be proven medically beneficial to be useful. 

I do agree with the one point that you made about the connection between writing a colour and cancer awareness but the other point that you made about the perverted males (which you clearly stated as all males and made no specifications) took all shroud of justification away from your argument. I totally agree with the first comment by Angela. Being a militant feminist is no better than being &quot;the enemy&quot; or a perverted male. We only jumped to the conclusion because you never stated that it was any specific perverted males who were using the bra colours to fulfill horny needs..which I don&#039;t even see how that is possible. How does writing a colour fulfill horny needs? Most people need a little more imagination than that..

Also, I thought that the colours on facebook was to gain awareness, aka. attention. I noticed that on a facebook group some girls were posting pictures of their bras for this campaign. What I took from this blog and from all the other comments was to realize that the most important thing is the different perspectives on what is to be considered &quot;stooping low&quot;. Yes, everyone has different morals. What takes away from your argument greatly is your application of your personal morality to judge other women and accuse them of degrading femininity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Stefan, I fail to see how posting a colour on facebook is &#8220;stooping low&#8221;. I also don&#8217;t see the connection of a colour encouraging males to visit lingerie stores or porn. By feminine empowerment, are you implying that by hiding the fact that females wear a bra or by hiding the colour of the bra will not cause female objectification?<br />
I also don&#8217;t see how the bra is solely at the mercy of being an object of male fancy, ie. have you ever tried jogging without a bra on? Yeah..ouch. They don&#8217;t have to be proven medically beneficial to be useful. </p>
<p>I do agree with the one point that you made about the connection between writing a colour and cancer awareness but the other point that you made about the perverted males (which you clearly stated as all males and made no specifications) took all shroud of justification away from your argument. I totally agree with the first comment by Angela. Being a militant feminist is no better than being &#8220;the enemy&#8221; or a perverted male. We only jumped to the conclusion because you never stated that it was any specific perverted males who were using the bra colours to fulfill horny needs..which I don&#8217;t even see how that is possible. How does writing a colour fulfill horny needs? Most people need a little more imagination than that..</p>
<p>Also, I thought that the colours on facebook was to gain awareness, aka. attention. I noticed that on a facebook group some girls were posting pictures of their bras for this campaign. What I took from this blog and from all the other comments was to realize that the most important thing is the different perspectives on what is to be considered &#8220;stooping low&#8221;. Yes, everyone has different morals. What takes away from your argument greatly is your application of your personal morality to judge other women and accuse them of degrading femininity.</p>
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		<title>By: justine</title>
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		<dc:creator>justine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay first of all...let me just say that I hate lines of reasoning just like what this blog post has to offer. Vino, don&#039;t get me wrong...I respect your thoughts and opinions, which is exactly why we published this piece on blogUT but don&#039;t be surprised when people disagree with what you have to say and question/criticize you on it. It&#039;s all fair game. 

Now let me tell you why I hate reasonings like this. It makes us women seem pitiable and it victimizes us. And I hate being portrayed as such. Why? Because I&#039;m not a f--king victim (pardon my French). And I know that a lot of women will say the same. By saying things like the bra is &quot;an appalling symbol of male oppression&quot;, you&#039;re making it into just that. Personally, I don&#039;t think it is. Maybe back in god knows what century but we&#039;re-- well at least I AM living in the 21st century where I wear my bra with pride and as my own choice. Plus, was the brassiere not used as a strategic tool to make important statements? Yes, I think so. So why not now? And if you do feel it objectifies you...then don&#039;t change your status. We all have that right to privacy and no one (man or woman) is gonna be saying anything about your decision to change or not change your status. I changed my status (to turquoise if you must know) because I thought it was an interesting and clever campaign. And no, I don&#039;t feel degraded by doing so. And no, I don&#039;t feel any less empowered as a woman. Not every little  thing in this world has to be politicized.

I agree with you though about this campaign&#039;s failure to raise awareness about breast cancer. It really hasn&#039;t. It has just generated buzz that has, in my opinion, essentially led to nothing but angry blog posts like this one. So that should be the focus of this campaign. How we can translate this thing that has gone viral into something tangible for the good of breast cancer research. I wrote a little piece on it on my blog, which you can read &lt;a href=&quot;http://justineabigail.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/guys-my-bra-colour-is-pink-let-the-cries-of-controversy-begin/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;..if you&#039;re at all interested.

Well, that&#039;s that. Nothing personal...just some thoughts for you guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay first of all&#8230;let me just say that I hate lines of reasoning just like what this blog post has to offer. Vino, don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8230;I respect your thoughts and opinions, which is exactly why we published this piece on blogUT but don&#8217;t be surprised when people disagree with what you have to say and question/criticize you on it. It&#8217;s all fair game. </p>
<p>Now let me tell you why I hate reasonings like this. It makes us women seem pitiable and it victimizes us. And I hate being portrayed as such. Why? Because I&#8217;m not a f&#8211;king victim (pardon my French). And I know that a lot of women will say the same. By saying things like the bra is &#8220;an appalling symbol of male oppression&#8221;, you&#8217;re making it into just that. Personally, I don&#8217;t think it is. Maybe back in god knows what century but we&#8217;re&#8211; well at least I AM living in the 21st century where I wear my bra with pride and as my own choice. Plus, was the brassiere not used as a strategic tool to make important statements? Yes, I think so. So why not now? And if you do feel it objectifies you&#8230;then don&#8217;t change your status. We all have that right to privacy and no one (man or woman) is gonna be saying anything about your decision to change or not change your status. I changed my status (to turquoise if you must know) because I thought it was an interesting and clever campaign. And no, I don&#8217;t feel degraded by doing so. And no, I don&#8217;t feel any less empowered as a woman. Not every little  thing in this world has to be politicized.</p>
<p>I agree with you though about this campaign&#8217;s failure to raise awareness about breast cancer. It really hasn&#8217;t. It has just generated buzz that has, in my opinion, essentially led to nothing but angry blog posts like this one. So that should be the focus of this campaign. How we can translate this thing that has gone viral into something tangible for the good of breast cancer research. I wrote a little piece on it on my blog, which you can read <a href="http://justineabigail.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/guys-my-bra-colour-is-pink-let-the-cries-of-controversy-begin/" rel="nofollow"> here </a>..if you&#8217;re at all interested.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s that. Nothing personal&#8230;just some thoughts for you guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Guys, My Bra Colour is Pink &#8211; Let the Cries of Controversy Begin! &#171; every word was once a poem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guys, My Bra Colour is Pink &#8211; Let the Cries of Controversy Begin! &#171; every word was once a poem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issue but of course, it had to turn sour with some women outraged by the whole concept&#8217;s sexual undertones and the supposed objectification of women. Personally, I think that&#8217;s a whole load of feminist baloney. If you ask me, this whole line [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] issue but of course, it had to turn sour with some women outraged by the whole concept&#8217;s sexual undertones and the supposed objectification of women. Personally, I think that&#8217;s a whole load of feminist baloney. If you ask me, this whole line [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see how discussing one&#039;s bra color on Facebook is &quot;stooping low.&quot; I refuse to equate the discussion of a garment&#039;s color with &quot;piques the perverted male ego.&quot; 
The idea that a woman discussing her bra color is inherently sexual is as offensive to women as it is to men. It is offensive to men because your assertion that talking about bra colors &quot;piques the perverted male ego&quot; is predicated on the assumption that all men are perverts and are so unable to control their sexual appetites that we will all just out to a pornography store or a strip club. (Also, I disagree with your implied assertion that pornography is objectively morally wrong, but that&#039;s not related to this particular conversation). Your assertion is offensive to women because you assume that discussing a bra is not only necessarily a sexual object (and, by doing so, you yourself objectify women) but that sexual objectification of any kind and degree is something that no woman would ever want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see how discussing one&#8217;s bra color on Facebook is &#8220;stooping low.&#8221; I refuse to equate the discussion of a garment&#8217;s color with &#8220;piques the perverted male ego.&#8221;<br />
The idea that a woman discussing her bra color is inherently sexual is as offensive to women as it is to men. It is offensive to men because your assertion that talking about bra colors &#8220;piques the perverted male ego&#8221; is predicated on the assumption that all men are perverts and are so unable to control their sexual appetites that we will all just out to a pornography store or a strip club. (Also, I disagree with your implied assertion that pornography is objectively morally wrong, but that&#8217;s not related to this particular conversation). Your assertion is offensive to women because you assume that discussing a bra is not only necessarily a sexual object (and, by doing so, you yourself objectify women) but that sexual objectification of any kind and degree is something that no woman would ever want.</p>
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		<title>By: Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should probably clarify this, by enemy I was not referring to the entire male gender.  Instead I was referring to the creeps on facebook that are posting their supposed bra colours and those who are using this so called awareness campaign to fulfill their own horny needs.  Many of you automatically jumped to the conclusion that the term enemy was an all encompassing one and I find this to be incredibly sad.  It is not my fault you categorize all males as perverts.  I think you should re-examine your own faulty way thinking instead of attacking my views.  

Also the last time I checked this was a blog where one could post their opinions, no matter how extreme.  Without any radical ideas or opposition to authority we would pretty much be reduced to a totalitarian state.  

Furthermore, Angela, Xenon, Stefan and Imad I think you are all missing the big picture here.  We should never have to stoop this low to get attention for anything. We are intelligent, motivated and extremely valuable members of society and our actions should reflect this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should probably clarify this, by enemy I was not referring to the entire male gender.  Instead I was referring to the creeps on facebook that are posting their supposed bra colours and those who are using this so called awareness campaign to fulfill their own horny needs.  Many of you automatically jumped to the conclusion that the term enemy was an all encompassing one and I find this to be incredibly sad.  It is not my fault you categorize all males as perverts.  I think you should re-examine your own faulty way thinking instead of attacking my views.  </p>
<p>Also the last time I checked this was a blog where one could post their opinions, no matter how extreme.  Without any radical ideas or opposition to authority we would pretty much be reduced to a totalitarian state.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, Angela, Xenon, Stefan and Imad I think you are all missing the big picture here.  We should never have to stoop this low to get attention for anything. We are intelligent, motivated and extremely valuable members of society and our actions should reflect this.</p>
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		<title>By: winna</title>
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		<dc:creator>winna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think Stefan that your lobotomy comment is out of line and unjustified. It makes me question whether you know what a lobotomy is or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think Stefan that your lobotomy comment is out of line and unjustified. It makes me question whether you know what a lobotomy is or not.</p>
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